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	<title>Comments on: The Bruce Clay, Local Paid Inclusion &amp; UBL Kerfuffle</title>
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	<description>Chris Silver Smith blogging on Search Engine Marketing, Local SEO, Technology &#38; more.</description>
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		<title>By: Miranda Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.nodalbits.com/bits/the-bruce-clay-local-paid-inclusion-ubl-kerfuffle/comment-page-1/#comment-12047</link>
		<dc:creator>Miranda Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 18:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Appreciated, Chris... I&#039;m just going to back away slowly now from this entire thing.  Understand why you would want to have your say, being on the board - would not be an enviable position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Appreciated, Chris&#8230; I&#8217;m just going to back away slowly now from this entire thing.  Understand why you would want to have your say, being on the board &#8211; would not be an enviable position.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Silver Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.nodalbits.com/bits/the-bruce-clay-local-paid-inclusion-ubl-kerfuffle/comment-page-1/#comment-12045</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Silver Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 17:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding various comments about speculation, I just know that it&#039;s not speculation on my part to state that I discuss projects with some frequency with the guys at UBL, and no such product offering has been discussed with me. I also don&#039;t need to talk to anyone else to know that there&#039;s no real upside to UBL to take a partner down the path with a purported product that would be unlikely to exist on the face of it. I also know that it would be very easy for people in a convo to confuse similar-sounding words, and that the only UBL product concept name I&#039;m aware of that bears passing resemblance to &quot;inclusion&quot; is &quot;insertion&quot;. I also know that Bruce Clay went on a lot in his preso at SMX West about Google moving to aggressively expand paid listings in the local search results way before this controversy -- and to me that begins to explain what happened with that website. I know that it&#039;s unlikely on the face of it that UBL would discuss a such a product with someone who&#039;s no longer on their advisory board while keeping me, their local search guy who is an advisor and covered by their confidentiality agreements, in the dark about it. None of this is speculation on my part.

I know it&#039;s not a particularly pretty story, and is unsatisfactory to some. UBL may not be popular to some in the industry, and they&#039;re in something of an underdog status for some of their lines of business -- but, even so, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s fair to lay this at their feet. I&#039;m pretty well convinced that they did not have plans to create a paid inclusion product guaranteed to rank tops in organic local SERPs. It&#039;s the sort of concept I would have rapidly and immediately called &quot;bullshit&quot; upon. 

The question I&#039;d put to you is this: If someone creates a website that makes wild claims, and then subsequently implies your company put them up to it (without publicly citing your company by name), how would you refute it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding various comments about speculation, I just know that it&#8217;s not speculation on my part to state that I discuss projects with some frequency with the guys at UBL, and no such product offering has been discussed with me. I also don&#8217;t need to talk to anyone else to know that there&#8217;s no real upside to UBL to take a partner down the path with a purported product that would be unlikely to exist on the face of it. I also know that it would be very easy for people in a convo to confuse similar-sounding words, and that the only UBL product concept name I&#8217;m aware of that bears passing resemblance to &#8220;inclusion&#8221; is &#8220;insertion&#8221;. I also know that Bruce Clay went on a lot in his preso at SMX West about Google moving to aggressively expand paid listings in the local search results way before this controversy &#8212; and to me that begins to explain what happened with that website. I know that it&#8217;s unlikely on the face of it that UBL would discuss a such a product with someone who&#8217;s no longer on their advisory board while keeping me, their local search guy who is an advisor and covered by their confidentiality agreements, in the dark about it. None of this is speculation on my part.</p>
<p>I know it&#8217;s not a particularly pretty story, and is unsatisfactory to some. UBL may not be popular to some in the industry, and they&#8217;re in something of an underdog status for some of their lines of business &#8212; but, even so, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s fair to lay this at their feet. I&#8217;m pretty well convinced that they did not have plans to create a paid inclusion product guaranteed to rank tops in organic local SERPs. It&#8217;s the sort of concept I would have rapidly and immediately called &#8220;bullshit&#8221; upon. </p>
<p>The question I&#8217;d put to you is this: If someone creates a website that makes wild claims, and then subsequently implies your company put them up to it (without publicly citing your company by name), how would you refute it?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Silver Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.nodalbits.com/bits/the-bruce-clay-local-paid-inclusion-ubl-kerfuffle/comment-page-1/#comment-12043</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Silver Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 17:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miranda, I apologize. You&#039;re right that I shouldn&#039;t have speculated about a conversation I wasn&#039;t witness to, and it wasn&#039;t right of me to suggest that you made a mistake or were inaccurate. 

It can hardly be your fault if someone in an interview seems to be confirming questions you&#039;re asking of them -- that&#039;s entirely their responsibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miranda, I apologize. You&#8217;re right that I shouldn&#8217;t have speculated about a conversation I wasn&#8217;t witness to, and it wasn&#8217;t right of me to suggest that you made a mistake or were inaccurate. </p>
<p>It can hardly be your fault if someone in an interview seems to be confirming questions you&#8217;re asking of them &#8212; that&#8217;s entirely their responsibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Shotland</title>
		<link>http://www.nodalbits.com/bits/the-bruce-clay-local-paid-inclusion-ubl-kerfuffle/comment-page-1/#comment-12028</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Shotland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 02:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe this clip says it all http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6cxNR9ML8k</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe this clip says it all <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6cxNR9ML8k" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6cxNR9ML8k</a></p>
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		<title>By: Doc Sheldon</title>
		<link>http://www.nodalbits.com/bits/the-bruce-clay-local-paid-inclusion-ubl-kerfuffle/comment-page-1/#comment-12027</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Sheldon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 02:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, I find it amusing that you say &quot;it behooves a reporter to fully establish the facts of a story before publishing it.&quot; I do agree with it... it was true 30 years ago when I published my own newspaper and magazines and it&#039;s still true today. I happen to know that this story was fully vetted with a critical eye before the decision was rendered to run it. All parties were given an opportunity to respond or comment. 

My amusement is aroused by the fact that you found it unnecessary to speak with Miranda, Jonathan or Danny about the basis of the story. Fine... your blog, your rules, right? How terribly convenient for you. Had you done so, I assure you, your opinion would be quite different.

Personally, I don&#039;t care whether Google et al. were cooking up a scheme to sell placements or not. And I don&#039;t particularly care if Bruce gets raked over the coals if he knowingly misrepresented things. What I most emphatically DO care about is ONE individual being thrown under the bus, while others, equally or MORE guilty, sit back and chuckle, suffering no ill effects. Call me idealistic, but that&#039;s unacceptable to me.

Your spin fails to impress, Chris. And guess what? If any of your companions advised you to let it alone, as a post like this might do UBL more harm than good...

they were right. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, I find it amusing that you say &#8220;it behooves a reporter to fully establish the facts of a story before publishing it.&#8221; I do agree with it&#8230; it was true 30 years ago when I published my own newspaper and magazines and it&#8217;s still true today. I happen to know that this story was fully vetted with a critical eye before the decision was rendered to run it. All parties were given an opportunity to respond or comment. </p>
<p>My amusement is aroused by the fact that you found it unnecessary to speak with Miranda, Jonathan or Danny about the basis of the story. Fine&#8230; your blog, your rules, right? How terribly convenient for you. Had you done so, I assure you, your opinion would be quite different.</p>
<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t care whether Google et al. were cooking up a scheme to sell placements or not. And I don&#8217;t particularly care if Bruce gets raked over the coals if he knowingly misrepresented things. What I most emphatically DO care about is ONE individual being thrown under the bus, while others, equally or MORE guilty, sit back and chuckle, suffering no ill effects. Call me idealistic, but that&#8217;s unacceptable to me.</p>
<p>Your spin fails to impress, Chris. And guess what? If any of your companions advised you to let it alone, as a post like this might do UBL more harm than good&#8230;</p>
<p>they were right. <img src='http://www.nodalbits.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Alan Bleiweiss</title>
		<link>http://www.nodalbits.com/bits/the-bruce-clay-local-paid-inclusion-ubl-kerfuffle/comment-page-1/#comment-12026</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Bleiweiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 02:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh. Forgive my mis-spoken statement.  When I said &quot;your own company&quot;, I meant UBL.  While I see now you&#039;re only somewhat-related to them, given how this article was written, it was pretty effortless for me to become blurred by the relationship line.  If you don&#039;t in fact get paid to write this kind of defense article for them, then I apologize in that regard.  Everything else stands as far as why it&#039;s pretty near impossible to believe UBL isn&#039;t a key factor in the &quot;kerfufle&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh. Forgive my mis-spoken statement.  When I said &#8220;your own company&#8221;, I meant UBL.  While I see now you&#8217;re only somewhat-related to them, given how this article was written, it was pretty effortless for me to become blurred by the relationship line.  If you don&#8217;t in fact get paid to write this kind of defense article for them, then I apologize in that regard.  Everything else stands as far as why it&#8217;s pretty near impossible to believe UBL isn&#8217;t a key factor in the &#8220;kerfufle&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sage Lewis</title>
		<link>http://www.nodalbits.com/bits/the-bruce-clay-local-paid-inclusion-ubl-kerfuffle/comment-page-1/#comment-12025</link>
		<dc:creator>Sage Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 02:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post just adds to the surreal, bizarre nature of this story. 

Your attempt to bring credibility to UBL, as other commentors have suggested, has done the opposite. You are just speculating, which is what most of us are doing. Except you are an UBL insider.

You make UBL look less trustworthy here.

Why wouldn&#039;t they have had someone knowledgeable of the happenings comment on the topic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post just adds to the surreal, bizarre nature of this story. </p>
<p>Your attempt to bring credibility to UBL, as other commentors have suggested, has done the opposite. You are just speculating, which is what most of us are doing. Except you are an UBL insider.</p>
<p>You make UBL look less trustworthy here.</p>
<p>Why wouldn&#8217;t they have had someone knowledgeable of the happenings comment on the topic?</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Bleiweiss</title>
		<link>http://www.nodalbits.com/bits/the-bruce-clay-local-paid-inclusion-ubl-kerfuffle/comment-page-1/#comment-12024</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Bleiweiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 02:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris

I hope this post is a joke.  because a) it&#039;s full of swiss-cheese holes in it&#039;s own conclusions and b) because it&#039;s nothing but one misdirection statement after another.  

Given UBLs history of making false public claims and statements regarding your own company&#039;s supposed relationships with Search industry companies that end up turning out to be blatantly false you&#039;re treading on dangerous water..  

Given your own company&#039;s history of throwing search industry companies into financial tail-spins due to failed action on your company&#039;s part, I think you need to make a major retraction of this nonsense before someone rips your company to shreds in an upcoming blog post.  

Of course, I am confident you won&#039;t publish this comment.  Just be aware that UBL will not come 9out of this unscathed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris</p>
<p>I hope this post is a joke.  because a) it&#8217;s full of swiss-cheese holes in it&#8217;s own conclusions and b) because it&#8217;s nothing but one misdirection statement after another.  </p>
<p>Given UBLs history of making false public claims and statements regarding your own company&#8217;s supposed relationships with Search industry companies that end up turning out to be blatantly false you&#8217;re treading on dangerous water..  </p>
<p>Given your own company&#8217;s history of throwing search industry companies into financial tail-spins due to failed action on your company&#8217;s part, I think you need to make a major retraction of this nonsense before someone rips your company to shreds in an upcoming blog post.  </p>
<p>Of course, I am confident you won&#8217;t publish this comment.  Just be aware that UBL will not come 9out of this unscathed.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Jensen</title>
		<link>http://www.nodalbits.com/bits/the-bruce-clay-local-paid-inclusion-ubl-kerfuffle/comment-page-1/#comment-12023</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Jensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 02:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent, Chris! Thanks for taking the time to give us the &quot;other&quot; perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent, Chris! Thanks for taking the time to give us the &#8220;other&#8221; perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Heseltine</title>
		<link>http://www.nodalbits.com/bits/the-bruce-clay-local-paid-inclusion-ubl-kerfuffle/comment-page-1/#comment-12022</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Heseltine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 02:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As I outlined, there are credible reasons why the CEO misunderstood what was being asked of him&quot;

&quot;...perhaps the call quality wasn’t all that great...&quot;

Yep, spot on *sigh*

Actually, what you outlined above were a series of &quot;maybe&quot; and &quot;perhaps&quot; not factual reasons.  But now I&#039;m repeating myself, and I have better things to do than spend more time on this hatchet job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As I outlined, there are credible reasons why the CEO misunderstood what was being asked of him&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;perhaps the call quality wasn’t all that great&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Yep, spot on *sigh*</p>
<p>Actually, what you outlined above were a series of &#8220;maybe&#8221; and &#8220;perhaps&#8221; not factual reasons.  But now I&#8217;m repeating myself, and I have better things to do than spend more time on this hatchet job.</p>
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